Anonymous #2 11w

I’m a black queer person so let’s talk about how the constant use of our history and experience as comparison is a tactic to downplay what we’ve been through. Let’s talk about how it contributes to the desensitization of black trauma but also the sensationalism of black trauma!!! You can make an argument without bringing black issues into it

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Anonymous OP 11w

I literally only made a compassion that happened to be about black individuals. If stud was a term only for Asian people or white people, I’d be here saying the same thing. Not everything black issue being brought up is wrong.

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Anonymous OP 11w

**every black issue

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Anonymous OP 11w

It's insane that ppl only bring up black history or issues that black ppl face in order to use it as a "gotcha" for other things. Can we not talk abt these things on their own, like they deserve?

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Anonymous #3 11w

Can we not do both??? Why completely separate the two when they’re also intertwined?

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Anonymous #2 11w

But it had no place being brought up in a conversation about trans men lesbians is what I’m saying. Black issues are important and I am sick of them being brought up as comparison instead of a standalone conversation

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Anonymous #2 11w

They're not as intertwined as u seem to think. They CAN be talked about on their own and if u can't do that then u dont actually care about it and just want to use it to put others down. You're NOT doing it to "raise awareness" or some shit ur js doing it to get one up on someone.

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Anonymous OP 11w

That’s literally why I made a separate post… And idk what your ethnicity is, but just as you think I shouldn’t comment about this lesbian thing, I think you shouldn’t comment about when you think it’s “ok” to bring up black issues. Us black people will decide when we bring up our issues.

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Anonymous OP 11w

It was a trans man who started this whole discussion anyway. And I’m a black queer person starting this NEW discussion. It wasn’t meant to stay about t man lesbians, it was meant to shift the conversation into another issues that never gets talked about.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Red circle so you know where to look since u missed it the first time

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Anonymous #2 11w

I literally told you, first comment I’m also black… and I didn’t say you couldn’t talk about lesbians conversation I said don’t bring black issues into the conversation when it doesn’t need to be

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Anonymous #2 11w

No it wasn't. You're not trying to "shift the conversation" u can deadass js make a new unrelated post if u wanted. U CAN bring it up on it's own.

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Anonymous OP 11w

And I told you, you don’t get to decide when I bring us into the conversation. Even if you’re black. Let’s not police each other. That’s it.

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Anonymous #3 11w

And I would’ve mentioned this stuff anyway so it really doesn’t matter.

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Anonymous #2 11w

and yet u didn't. u can say that, but u CHOSE to only bring it up in response. actions speak louder than words, and ur actions are screaming

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Anonymous #3 11w

Actually I “chose” it because I’ve been thinking about it for days and saw an opportunity to bring it up when I’ve been scared to because of responses like this. You’re not me, and you have no idea whats going thru my mind

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Anonymous #2 11w

“Even if you’re black” what are we finna go melanin for melanin or sum 😂

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Anonymous OP 11w

Just know you met a black person that disagreed with your execution so there we go

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Anonymous #2 11w

and yet. you chose. then. you have to understand that u say this but from the outside it looks like ur js saying this to cover ur ass when u get caught. u can talk abt black issues without using it to bring others down, or using it as a gotcha. u can bring it up. ur only getting these responses bc of u linking them. u could have brought it up on its own, but u chose not to.

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Anonymous #3 11w

But as per usual, if a black person brings up black issues, it’s never the right time. It ALWAYS happens to us and you’re continuing that pattern.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Any one of you could’ve said something to continue the convo about studs and then that’s all we’d be talking about, but you didn’t. You automatically assumed I had an ulterior motive and decided to be defensive.

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Anonymous #2 11w

LMAOOOO trying to flip this bc ur mad ppl r saying that bringing it up only to put others down is wrong is crazy. it isnt the right time bc of how ur using it. u can frame it how u want, idc, but ur only getting backlash bc ur continuing to use black people's issues only to put others down. ur treating them like they're only important in relation to another problem. u had a great point abt the use of the word stud, there IS an issue w non black ppl using it.

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Anonymous #2 11w

ur deadass ONLY getting backlash bc ur only using it as a "gotcha" for another issue. that makes YOU the problem, whether u want to admit it or not

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Anonymous #2 11w

because of how u chose to bring it up. wait a week and mention it again on its own and see how ppl respond, bc u did have a point u just had no business using it in the way u did.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Literally whoever you are I hope you win the tax free lottery thank you for wording it better than me ❤️

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Anonymous #2 11w

i cant js ignore u bringing up an important issue JUST to invalidate MY identity. u need to think and realize that no one KNOWS ur thoughts, we only see what uve posted and what uve posted frames it a different way than u probably intended.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Welp, I’ll give you what I’m getting again. Now you’re trying to police ME for bringing up an issues that pertains to myself and my black community. Yall didn’t even attempt to further the conversation about studs, or ask why I said it in the first place. A respectful conversation could’ve been had but yall couldn’t do that.

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Anonymous #3 11w

Ofc you don’t know my thoughts as I don’t know yours, and like I said, you could’ve asked me to explain myself before jumping to conclusions but did not. So here we are. No it wasn’t the best timing but it didn’t mean I couldn’t bring it up.

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Anonymous #2 11w

u can try to frame this however u want by claiming im "policing" u or whatever. again, as i said, bring it up in a week on its own and u will get responses related to it. when u only use it to put others down, that tends to be what people focus on which is why u shouldnt use it like that. a respectful conversation could have been had if ud brought it up on its own as an issue like that deserves. ur js upset ur wrong and trying to make urself the victim, idgaf but it does make u look a bit sad.

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Anonymous #3 11w

And I’ve said it before I KNOW it wasn’t the best timing but I’m not waiting a week to talk about something I wanna talk about now. If yall took it as some sort of attack, that’s on you.

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Anonymous #2 11w

i considered blocking u but u DO have a point w the issue w stud and non black ppl using it, and i hope you DO post it on its own later so there CAN be a decent conversation about it, and im looking forward to seeing it bc its a needed convo. the situation u brought it up in was wrong, not the fact that u brought it up. hope u reflect and there can be more productive discussions later, or dont. if u cant bring the issue up on its own, then its js obvious u dont actually care abt it.

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Anonymous #2 11w

that's what happens on the internet. which is why u should have brought it up on its own. its your responsibility as the person bringing it up to make sure u dont get misread or something, and u didnt even attempt to. i do hope u learn from this and the next discussion is more fruitful, but that's ur choice

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Anonymous #2 11w

u could have talked abt it in its own post period. without bringing trans men into it. it's YOUR responsibility to consider these things, that's all u babe

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Anonymous #3 11w

It’s not my job to articulate every bit of into so that everyone can understand either. I ran out of room in my initial post but had more to say. Couldn’t even finish typing before getting jumped on.

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Anonymous #3 11w

*info😑

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Anonymous #3 11w

Jumping to conclusions is exactly what I’ve been seeing too much of in this community. Respect is somehow lost whenever people don’t agree. I maintained that people should have the right to identify as they see fit.

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Anonymous #3 11w

It would never have been on its own anyway because I would’ve brought up similar issues at some point. I just started with the “hard to digest” part and yall couldn’t stop seeing red. It’s like I said the quiet part out loud and you all couldn’t deal with it.

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Anonymous #3 11w

If you can’t see why it’s important to bring up certain topics together sometimes, I can’t help you because not everything needs to be separate. That’s how people get pushed out of any type of conversation entirely.

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Anonymous #2 11w

At the end of the day your execution was more harmful than you planned and we called you out, that’s all.

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Anonymous OP 11w

And I acknowledged that but it’s exactly how I feel so either way, yall would’ve gotten offended sooner or later. They 100% should be brought up together because they’re similar types of issues.

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Anonymous #2 11w

See now you’re making assumptions, where did either of us say we were offended by you talking about nonblack people using the term stud? #3 literally agreed with you and I never commented on it

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Anonymous OP 11w

Also if you were really about that life you’d understand that hating trans men lesbians IS rooted in racism!!! That was the connection you ACTUALLY missed lol 😂

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Anonymous OP 11w

Most people don’t outright say “I’m offended” but ok. And Idk where you got “hating” trans men from but way to put more words in my mouth. You are now searching for more issues that aren’t there just as you probably think of my opinion.

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Anonymous #2 11w

Okay: when I said “hating trans men lesbians” it was because the current conversation has been people hating on them. Your post was about the connection of trans men lesbians discourse and racism/appropriation of black terms im the queer community. So I’m stating if you wanted to talk about racism in the queer community using trans men lesbians discourse you missed the fact that some trans men ID that way because of the intersectionality of their ethnicity, gender, and sexuality

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Anonymous OP 11w

Because if we go back to my second comment where I said “it had no place” that’s because these two points don’t connect, but intersectionality and the lack of nuance when it come to how POC queer people experience gender and sexuality does. THAT’S why your post felt disingenuous because there is something to be said about the underlying racism in the queer community but you completely missed that point

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Anonymous OP 11w

I have nothing more to say so I will not be responding further. Understand that it was never about you pointing out racism it was the execution and the way you carried yourself in these conversations that warranted my post and responses. You have a good one regardless

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