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Rephrasing so it’s an actual poll Entering the US without obtaining or pursuing a visa is immoral/ethically wrong
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Entering the USA without consent is illegal
#poll
Agree
Disagree
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Anonymous 1d

often yes, universally speaking no. it’s like lying; it’s not morally reprehensible when you’re in a dire situation you shouldn’t be in

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Anonymous 1d

Isn’t that the whole reason why ice exists?

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Anonymous 1d

If it’s immoral/unethical then that implies that the law is a fair and objective metric of morality. So uhhh slavery and the Holocaust?

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Anonymous 17h

I was not expecting such a close split on this one

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Anonymous 16h

It is not morally wrong, it’s legally wrong. You aren’t a bad person for not obtaining a visa, you just technically shouldn’t be here

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Anonymous replying to -> #3 22h

not reflective of my opinion on this subject particularly but this take is a fallacy, saying that just because the law aligns with morality THIS time doesn’t mean that it ALWAYS aligns with morality, and saying that if this law doesn’t align with morality doesn’t mean that it’s ALWAYS is against mortality is just as wrong

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Anonymous replying to -> #2 22h

thank you

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Anonymous replying to -> #4 22h

Not really a fallacy, that’s my entire point. It literally just means that the law is an inconsistent measure of what’s actually moral and shouldn’t be assumed to always be 100% moral. Need a different metric if we want to be defensible

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Anonymous replying to -> #6 17h

the question doesn’t really provide much nuance, so people who largely agree with each other are liable to pick opposite answers because they read it slightly differently

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