Trans Talk on Yik Yak | “male socialization” is used to imply that all trans women and all men are evil. It’s 1) assuming a monoculture 2) assuming that you can blame culture and not people/perpetrators and 3) lending support to a flattened discourse. 1/2

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“male socialization” is used to imply that all trans women and all men are evil. It’s 1) assuming a monoculture 2) assuming that you can blame culture and not people/perpetrators and 3) lending support to a flattened discourse. 1/2

Trans Talk 22h

“Male socialization” is a term coined by TERFs that somehow got into trans spaces. We as a society need to stop using it 😭

Anonymous 16h

we can talk about the coercive violence non-forming “men” experience, but that’s only once we realize that it’s not actually a wholly effective strategy. Torture doesn’t work. Socialization with intent doesn’t work. Both coercive violence, both fundamentally flawed.

Anonymous 10h

i wish people would stop trying to fit transgender people into boxes of male and female no trans person was socialized the same way as someone who is male or female. its more accurate to say they were socialized as trans men/trans women etc. like are you really socialized as a man when you’re not connected to it and other men literally exclude you for your feminine qualities shit never made sense to me

Anonymous 8h

i feel like we need another word. the way i think im understanding socialization is not the way i think everyone else understands it. for example, even though i am a trans man and have been a boy/man my entire life, i was born in a way seen as female by everyone around me at least to some extent for many years. i wasn't really included by girls or considered traditionally "feminine", and generally rejected that altogether, but there was still a lot of expectations and ideas put on to me because

Anonymous

OP 16h

non-conforming*

Anonymous

#6 8h

others thought of me as a girl. even though it didn't "work" on me, i still felt the impacts of going against that societal expectation. in that way, i was "socialized female", meaning i was viewed by other people as being female and treated as such. now i think the idea of having different ways of socializing people based on perceived gender is fucking stupid, but that doesn't mean it's not true in most modern society. i also don't mean this to say being "socialized female" or "socialized male

Anonymous

#6 8h

means you're going to turn out a certain way, or carry certain immutable characteristics from that. thats just some weird bioessentialist crap. i just mean that others have ideas of how to treat you based on how you're perceived and whether or not you fit into the mold of what's expected of you. it doesn't make you any one way or another, but it does seem like something that would influence a person. i feel like my understanding of the word "socialization" may not be correct

Anonymous

#6 7h

That would be the good faith understanding of what the term means, but it’s not being used in good faith, often, in my experience. In many ways it is the rhetorical stick used to force trans women into the “man” category without wrestling with the undeniable differences in our experience. In some cases the role of the word is more obscured than in others. I’d just ask that you be careful when reading, lest the term become a thought-terminating cliche.

Anonymous

OP 10m

I appreciate your thoughtful response! I've definitely seen how it's been used (incorrectly imo) to classify trans women as men and demonize them for it. I never want to be reinforcing anything like that, so thank you for clarifying for me.