Anonymous #3 18h

now that I think about it, it’s the same exact thing that other transphobe was trying to do yesterday. the one who kept attempting to discredit any and all studies that didn’t affirm their prejudiced bias, on the basis of not deeming it a “quality study” meanwhile they were only ever to cite a single study in support of themselves, which was littered with selection bias.

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Anonymous #3 18h

my claim was just that there are no good studies showing no difference, thats it

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Anonymous #1 18h

the study you cited within that post disproved your own point.

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Anonymous #3 18h

the study is not quality and doesnt measure athletic performance which is my whole point

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Anonymous #1 18h

You’re an idiot. And your positions are anti-scientific

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Anonymous #1 18h

I wish I had the… confidence??? Stupidity??? To say that any peer reviewed research I didn’t like wasn’t up to my standards of quality

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Anonymous #3 18h

Just stop.

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Anonymous #3 18h

you attempted to cite a study that you never read in defense of your own half-assed transphobic claim, then after getting called out for not reading said study since its conclusion actually disproved your claim and intended use, you’re not trying to gaslight others and claim that you were citing it as a reference to a “non-quality” study? this is just sad. your hateful arrogance is causing you to make a fool out of yourself.

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Anonymous #4 17h

if your idea of research is finding any study and only reading the conclusion while ignoring all of the methodology then youre anti scientific

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Anonymous #1 17h

you. did. not. even. read. the. study. atleast not until we all showcased that.

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Anonymous #1 17h

your arrogance is doing nothing in favor of your goals; all it’s doing is digging your grave.

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Anonymous #1 17h

What specifically about the methodology is invalid and does not reflect the unbiased study of empirical data

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Anonymous #4 17h

yall notice how they adopt and repackage the critiques they get? such an interesting and strange way of stroking one’s own ego.

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Anonymous dumbegg 17h

the meta analysis combines studies of pre pubertal transition and post pubertal transition, as well as studies of athletes and non athletes. if you cant see how this will bias the results i cant help you

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Anonymous #1 17h

Do you know what a meta analysis is

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Anonymous #1 17h

Or do you just say words to make you sound smart

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Anonymous #1 17h

That didn’t explain why it’s invalid/unbiased. You just asserted something and then repeated that it was biased. Explain exactly how the methodology is invalid and why it’s biased. Hurry up.

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Anonymous #4 17h

well it should be obvious. pre puberty transition wouldnt afford an athlete with the advantages of male puberty, so lumping in those athletes with ones that transition after a male puberty would skew the data. similarly, including studies of non athletes and athletes isnt useful if youre trying to make a claim specifically about athletes

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Anonymous #1 17h

That approach aligns with principles from biostatistics, where heterogeneous populations are not excluded but instead quantitatively modeled to prevent confounding rather than introduce it.

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Anonymous #4 17h

the authors of the study say as much, as they list limitations like not controlling for confounders like diet, baseline fitness, physical activity and body composition. they also acknowledge that there is very little literature actually targeting the population of interest which is trans athletes

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Anonymous #1 17h

Including both groups does not inherently bias the results, it increases ecological validity and allows for a more comprehensive analysis, as long as the study explicitly accounts for these physiological distinctions in its design and interpretation

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Anonymous #4 17h

it seems like 1 just doesn’t understand the scientific method tbh

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Anonymous #4 17h

well yeah you can make broader conclusions by including a broader set of people of course, but we’re not interested in a broad conclusion, we’re interested in a narrow question of how much hrt affects the benefits of a male puberty. also there is no ecological validity to athletics when metrics from athletics are not even being measured. for instance upper body strength being measured as grip strength

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Anonymous #1 17h

What do you consider to be broad conclusion and what are the specific goals of the study?

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Anonymous #4 17h

the point is comparing physical fitness and body composition between cis and trans people, the problem is they extrapolate that to make conclusions about athletes

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Anonymous #1 17h

What do you consider to be broad conclusion

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Anonymous #4 17h

a broad conclusion is the comparison of cis and trans adults, which is what the study does. the specific conclusion which the authors make and is not supported by the study is that this can be extrapolated to athletes

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Anonymous #3 16h

my critiques of the study are very basic things you learn in any research methods class

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Anonymous #1 16h

yet you’re consistently incapable of referencing citations in support of your own foundational claim. it’s ironic how you attempted to once again repackage and project the critique I offered to you though.

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Anonymous #1 16h

Ur still going?

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Anonymous dumbegg 16h

i have yet to hear any actual response to my critique so yes. feel free to give one!

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Anonymous #1 16h

I have far better things to do with my time than argue with a smug, ignorant moron

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Anonymous #1 16h

can’t find any actual studies supportive of your foundational claim huh?

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Anonymous dumbegg 16h

if the study is good it shouldnt be hard to defend. if im an ignorant moron then my problems with the study should be easy to respond to

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Anonymous dumbegg 16h

dw dumbegg, there’s no point anyway; they’re harping on this point to avoid addressing their malicious inability to defend their own claims and refusal to recognize such. it’s why they abandon every thread or post in which that topic is discussed too deeply, including their own.

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Anonymous #3 16h

Hell their study they mentioned was in response to me originally asking them for a study in defense/support of their foundational claim, and they only claimed the study was for their topical claim after we all called them out for not actually reading it🤭

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Anonymous #3 16h

dawg im just waiting for a defense of the study which i still have not gotten

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Anonymous #1 16h

Again, you can’t project the flaws you’re openly guilty of, especially with all these receipts.

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Anonymous #3 16h

still waiting :)

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Anonymous #1 16h

the irony I swear, is your brain actually this fried? this is verbatim one of the responses I sent you yesterday, FOR THE SAME REASON. I was waiting for you do cite evidence in support of your initial claims yesterday, and I’m waiting now. you transphobes are genuinely some of the stupidest people on the planet lma

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Anonymous #3 16h

evidence in support of trans women likely having an advantage in athletics over cis women?

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