Anonymous _orangutan 16w

What did I get incorrect?

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Anonymous #1 16w

Thats op after they get cancer from highly regulated industry then blame capitalism.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Surface level? Nothing. And that’s clearly where your analysis ended.

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Anonymous #3 16w

If you can’t articulate an actual criticism just say that.

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

Giving a someone a cancer stick and not profiting would still be bad lmao. If you don’t like it make it illegal capitalism isn’t when cigarets exist.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Capitalism is when entire multi million dollar businesses exist around the cancer sticks tho

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Idk i fear you might be missing the point on purpose

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

The only reason they aren’t illegal and just ‘regulated’ is because of all the money they make btw

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

That is capitalism but it’s not a needed part of capitalism you can make cancer stills illegal.

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

No your point is just silly.

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

No it’s bc people want to buy tobacco products.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

You just said the same thing I did. “People want to buy tobacco products” and “they’re not illegal because of the money they make” is the same exact statement

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

One just puts the blame on the people who are addicted to nicotine instead of the piece of shit business owners taking advantage of that

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

jesus i didnt think you were dumb like this, talk about liberals being purely surface level. the "billion dollar industry around getting me addicted to cancer" on a post featuring an ad... is probably about the ad and the product. its ads everywhere. EVERYWHERE. ads for cancer!!!!! yipeee!! wahoo!!!! more ads!!! its all good because the cancer is regulated!

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

I do that’s why I’m for regulation two people can be at fault at this same time.

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

No it’s not your saying they’re legal bc greed or something I’m saying they are legal bc they’re popular. Ig they’re related to one another.

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Anonymous #1 16w

Then make it illegal dipshit it’s not surface level you guys just aren’t smart enough to think of solutions beyond entirely taking down an economic system bc someone is addicted to a product.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

Yeah that’s why we have government and social expectations.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

I think you’re the only person I’ve ever interacted with who’s willing to go to bat for the nicotine industry, I’m not even THAT much of a leftist, and my parents are hardcore capitalists but most people can agree on it being bad. Yknow it doesn’t make you a communist to say that the cigarette industry is exploitative, right?

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Also, you keep saying make it illegal, wtf do you want us to do? The point is the people in charge won’t, because people are addicted, and addiction makes money

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

I literally said you should make it illegal or regulate it idk how thats “going to bat for nicotine” I just think there are good and bad solutions. Having a completely new economic model bc nicotine bad is silly.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

So do you agree with the analysis of capitalism, or not?

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Anonymous shrimp_fried_rice 16w

Wdym liquor makes money we made that illegal it’s entirely possible. People like nicotine products and there’s not that much political will for it. Weed also makes money meth makes money.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

I kinda do but I’m not for unregulated capitalism.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

We’re functioning under a very simple, reductive “capitalism is when markets” definition here. Capitalism is an economic model in which commodities are traded at fixed prices between producers, dealers and consumers, resulting in the generation of wealth. The presence or the absence of regulation has nothing to do with this definition of capitalism. It’s also true that in a capitalist economy new markets constantly come into being.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

So capitalism is a system of markets and it’s also a tendency to grow the system by creating and exploiting new markets, which involves the creation of new things and the creation of demand for those things.

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Anonymous blue__wave 16w

Markets for narcotics are capitalist and function within the capitalist system; this is true whatever level of regulation exists, and whether the narcotic is legal or illegal, and legality and regulation is irrelevant to the basic observation that the market is a capitalist one and exists within a larger capitalist system.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

I never said it had to do with the definition of capitalism but you can regulate capitalism which I am for, that would be a more sensible solution than not having capitalism. If we were defining capitalism your comments would be super relevant but we aren’t. Unless you have an economic model that does better than capitalism and bans nicotine or something. Again you can regulate products under capitalism, I’m sure they’re always be an informal market for things if that’s your point I agree.

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

But op is clearly loading capitalism as bad that’s what I’m addressing

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

To clear up my position more I’m not saying capitalism doesn’t drive the creation of nicotine products. My point is op’s analysis as capitalism being the problem in his context is bad. The problem could be solved by changing advertising laws. It’s like if I were to say transportation is bad bc it produces fumes. That would be bad analysis bc you can have Eva

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Anonymous bongo_fury 16w

Evs*

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