Anonymous #1 1d

definitely don’t quit your job, because you’re not getting hired as a propagandist (and if you are already one, you better start looking for a new job)

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Anonymous #1 1d

We can’t continue this conversation if you genuinely don’t understand what this post says btw

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Anonymous #2 1d

But yes presumably the most eco friendly form of transit is biking (or electric rail for longer distances)

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Anonymous OP 1d

we can’t continue this conversation if you refuse to acknowledge the anthropogenic climate crisis. why do you refuse to share whether you recognize it’s severity? are you scared of your perspective being discredited once people realize you’re a climate denier?

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Anonymous #1 1d

and let’s not forget how you’re the one who ran to create a new post rather than just answering the simple question.

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Anonymous #1 1d

(for the second time I might add)

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Anonymous #2 1d

Dude thank you, this other person had me thinking I was going insane

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Anonymous OP 1d

oh my fucking god, you disingenuous sack of shit.

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Anonymous #1 1d

and you still haven’t said whether you acknowledged the anthropogenic climate crisis.

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Anonymous #1 1d

It changes a bit. I agree that we currently do not make enough electricity to support the electrification of the world. But if we did, emissions would go wayyyyy down if we swapped to electric trains. Or just Teslas. The hypothetical is weird because everyone swapping to electric vehicles would REQUIRE an overhaul on the energy grid 🤔

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Anonymous #2 1d

I don’t know by how much of course. But yeah if every car were a hybrid, and still fully powered 100% by gas + regen braking (no plugging in), emissions would go down of course.

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Anonymous #2 1d

don’t get me wrong, I entirely agree. I’m not trying to claim that there would be no difference in emissions, my entire underlying critique was about the topic of greenwashing and its commonality in major companies like Tesla, especially how that relates to the energy grid and the predominate method for generating power. then I got into a shit show argument with OP in which ppl started advocating that using a generator on-board every electric car would somehow be better, and I’m sitting here

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Anonymous #1 1d

Thinking “what the actual fuck, we’re going in the wrong direction” like this all started because of a topic of greenwashing😭 and you’re right ab the hypothetical, ultimately that’s all it is yk; I mainly wanted to portray how the issue lies within the energy industry rather than isolated to the vehicles themselves

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Anonymous #1 1d

I still hate cars in general man, electric or gas. They still cause noise, traffic, etc. after 30mph the majority of noise comes from tires, not the engine. What if we had more biking and transit 🤤

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Anonymous #2 1d

god the things I’d do for a non car-centric world😪 one day…

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Anonymous #1 1d

We literally agree that less emissions is good for the environment, im saying that even if every electric car got its electricity from a generator that it would use drastically less fuel. And in turn be a good thing for the environment And for some reason you just cant agree to that

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Anonymous OP 1d

because you’re malicious, and you refuse to engage with this conversation genuinely. the only reason that generator topic was brought up was out of avoidance of a rebuttal I gave towards the original topic of greenwashing, in which you attempted to defend companies like Tesla when I stated they were guilty of greenwashing. and you’re still creating new posts about this exact topic to avoid taking accountability and reflecting on your beliefs.

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Anonymous #1 1d

you don’t give a fuck about this topic, you merely want to be “right”

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Anonymous #1 1d

Genuinely, I cannot comprehend what you could possibly disagree with in that take

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Anonymous OP 1d

A system that uses drastically less fossil fuels than the alternative would be considered greener Like I don’t think there’s actually anything in there to disagree with

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Anonymous OP 1d

what is the goal of sustainability? what sparked its origins in mainstream media? what existential issue are we facing that sparked the widespread adoption of sustainable and green practices? what is greenwashing? *do you recognize that the anthropogenic climate crisis is real?*

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Anonymous OP 1d

I’ve repeatedly explained these issues to you over the course of the last hour and a half; this purely comes down to your arrogance.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I don’t need a tangent, in my statement what do you disagree with?

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Anonymous OP 1d

do. you. recognize. that. the. anthropogenic. climate. crisis. is. real? I’m not playing this bullshit game with you any longer.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Yes, the climate crisis is human caused

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Anonymous OP 1d

Nothing I’ve said has lead to the belief of any other conclusion. I’m literally “ propagandizing” for a system that would emit drastically less CO2

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Anonymous OP 1d

then you understand the origin of my disagreement. we are not in a position to advocate for merely “less fossil fuel consumption”, we *need* to eliminate our reliance on fossil fuels if we want to minimize the amount of death that will occur across the globe. don’t get me wrong: if this was the year 2000, or 1990, and we adopted your proposal; I think it could’ve caused an immensely positive impact worldwide. it’s too late for that though.

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Anonymous #1 1d

we had a few decades in which we were able to gradually reduce our consumption of fossil fuels towards the goal of eliminating the reliance on them, but we’re already passed the deadline. the longer we retain fossil fuel consumption, the larger the impact. of course it’s not limited to the consumption of fossil fuels, but it’s a major contributing factor.

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Anonymous #1 1d

We can diminish our usage of fossil fuels, but we currently do not possess a system that gets rid of our dependence upon them entirely

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Anonymous OP 1d

with all due respect, the last line of this comment of yours directly leads to the conclusion of climate denialism.

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Anonymous #1 1d

I don’t know why you still think that screenshot is somehow a gotcha

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Anonymous OP 1d

but as I stated, we did have a period in which we should’ve gradually reduced our reliance on them; instead we increased our consumption over that time. we are now at a point where continued consumption results in an increase in the eventual death toll; and that is a given: a chunk of the global population is projected to die off from a combination of the projected impacts. Hell, while not directly related to fossil fuels, its estimated that we only have 60 growth cycles left of top soil

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Anonymous #1 1d

What would you like the electric cars to be powered by?

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Anonymous #1 1d

afterwards we likely won’t be able to farm in the same method we currently do (in-soil agriculture)

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Anonymous OP 1d

I already mentioned renewables and nuclear, and don’t bring up your attempted gotcha rebuttal as I already addressed it and will paste a screenshot of said response ultimately we should be striving to reduce consumption altogether, but most aren’t ready for that conversation nor realization. we do not live in the world our parents were born into.

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Anonymous OP 1d

ideally, we wouldn’t be assassinating scientists researching sustainable forms of electricity generation; but of course we will in a batshit ass world.

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Anonymous #1 1d

It’s cool how Dutch (national) trains are powered 100% by renewable energy sources. It used to be 100% wind but now they have some solar I think. That only works because they have nationalized trains though

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Anonymous #1 1d

Both renewables and a nuclear all rely on fossil fuels for their construction and maintenance. However, they use drastically less fossil fuels than the alternative of gas powered engines, so I see that as a good thing

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Anonymous #2 1d

wtf that is very cool indeed, I didn’t know they had that set up! I wish we had that type of sustainable public transportation, but then again I wish we had comprehensive public transportation in general😓

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Anonymous OP 1d

I warned you that I was going to paste my previous response if you tried this bullshit once again.

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Anonymous OP 1d

however, i apologize for the aggression in that pictured response in how it relates to your new comment because you did recognize the difference in the amount of fuel consumption, and I appreciate you for that.

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Anonymous #1 1d

Keep in mind, I have already said that if all the electric vehicles solely relied on renewables that it would be a better situation And I just again agreed with you, and for some reason you……disagree Also not to be that guy but literally none of that was an appeal to traditions

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Anonymous #1 1d

My entire point had been about the difference in fuel consumption, the post you are commenting on is highlighting the difference in fuel consumption

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Anonymous OP 1d

apologies if I misunderstood and incorrectly interpreted it as an appeals to tradition: I saw the invocation of fossil fuels as it related to the construction of renewable energy as something along the lines of “well fossil fuels are used for creating them anyway”, but that was likely due to the heat of the moment if I was mistaken.

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Anonymous OP 1d

dude our conversation started regarding greenwashing… when I was criticizing Tesla in that OG post that got deleted💀 it may have moved into fuel consumption, but that is not what we were talking about; it only turned into that when you brought the conversation to that with the mentioning of “electric cars powered by generators”

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Anonymous #1 1d

If this is all just a misunderstanding then that would be funny

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Anonymous OP 1d

tbh, given the current political climate and world events, I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if it was and I agree it would be kinda funny lol. there’s an underlying and intentional effort from major corporations and governments to prevent meaningful communication between individuals who might hold different, opposing, and/or conflicting views and beliefs so this would line right up with that.

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